Josh Parry Feedback
from mrs. josh parry:
i'm sure parry is a great guy. i don't have anything personal against him. i've never met him, but i've certainly seen him play enough to know that he's just not very good. let's go through the skills you want to see in a fullback:
- run blocking - josh is clearly substandard here. he just doesn't bring a load at the point of attack. he does a decent job of picking the right defender to block, but he almost never is able to blow that guy backwards. good fullbacks do this all the time (e.g. lorenzo neal, cory schlesinger, mack strong, william henderson just to name a few), but josh parry almost never does. he just doesn't have the athletic gifts to be a great run blocker. specific example: in the superbowl, westbrook gets the ball sweeping left, NE defender (i think colvin) meets parry in the hole and just blows him up. knocks josh straight back into westbrook and stops brian dead in his tracks. loss of 3.
- pass blocking - you must be able to select the right blitzer and you must be able to stop that guy at the point you make contact. josh is a better pass blocker than run blocker -- it is true because pass blocking is more about technique than run blocking is -- but again where josh struggles is when guys bullrush him. he does not have the strength to hold his ground effectively enough. he gets pushed back into mcnabb, breaking don's concentration. two specific examples from the superbowl: a) NE defender comes on a blitz (i think vrabel) and josh picks him up, only vrabel runs right through him, literally pancakes josh onto his ass and just runs over josh like he wasn't even there. i don't remember if that was a sack or not, but it was horrible nonetheless, and b) NE defender comes on a blitz (don't remember who, could have been bruschi) and pushes josh right into don's face. looked like he just picked josh up and carried him into don's lap.
- pass catching - josh fights the ball into his hands. you can see the color in his face drain every time the ball is thrown to him. i'm not saying i can catch the ball any better than he can... but i'm not trying to make an nfl roster (and neither is dave barr). he is a converted linebacker... there is a reason he played defense all the way through college. he doesn't have the skills to play offense.
so let's get this straight. you submit that this guy who cannot run block, cannot pass block, and cannot catch the football is "one of the best in the NFL"? no way. josh parry is not an nfl caliber fullback.
Are we watching the same game? Or are you guys really that dumb? I think Parry is an awesome fullback and one of the best in the NFL. I have watched Parry pick up not only his man but also helped others-like Runyan. Furthermore, McNabb's career would of have been over after the first game if it was not for Parry's read on the blitzes! He is a great player but maybe that is why he is playing and the nonbelievers are sitting on their couches watching the game they wish they could play! I am a huge Parry fan and I think that he is great! Please Mr. Dave Barr write something you know about rather than something you think you know something about because it really is hard to read!right. umm, ok. the o-line sucked last year, that is true, but that doesn't excuse having a sub-standard fullback on the team. that statement above could only have been written by two people: josh parry's wife or josh parry's mom. there is no way any real football fan could possibly consider parry to be a decent nfl fullback let alone "one of the best in the nfl"... well unless you think that "one of the best" means you are in the top 30 fullbacks.
i'm sure parry is a great guy. i don't have anything personal against him. i've never met him, but i've certainly seen him play enough to know that he's just not very good. let's go through the skills you want to see in a fullback:
- run blocking - josh is clearly substandard here. he just doesn't bring a load at the point of attack. he does a decent job of picking the right defender to block, but he almost never is able to blow that guy backwards. good fullbacks do this all the time (e.g. lorenzo neal, cory schlesinger, mack strong, william henderson just to name a few), but josh parry almost never does. he just doesn't have the athletic gifts to be a great run blocker. specific example: in the superbowl, westbrook gets the ball sweeping left, NE defender (i think colvin) meets parry in the hole and just blows him up. knocks josh straight back into westbrook and stops brian dead in his tracks. loss of 3.
- pass blocking - you must be able to select the right blitzer and you must be able to stop that guy at the point you make contact. josh is a better pass blocker than run blocker -- it is true because pass blocking is more about technique than run blocking is -- but again where josh struggles is when guys bullrush him. he does not have the strength to hold his ground effectively enough. he gets pushed back into mcnabb, breaking don's concentration. two specific examples from the superbowl: a) NE defender comes on a blitz (i think vrabel) and josh picks him up, only vrabel runs right through him, literally pancakes josh onto his ass and just runs over josh like he wasn't even there. i don't remember if that was a sack or not, but it was horrible nonetheless, and b) NE defender comes on a blitz (don't remember who, could have been bruschi) and pushes josh right into don's face. looked like he just picked josh up and carried him into don's lap.
- pass catching - josh fights the ball into his hands. you can see the color in his face drain every time the ball is thrown to him. i'm not saying i can catch the ball any better than he can... but i'm not trying to make an nfl roster (and neither is dave barr). he is a converted linebacker... there is a reason he played defense all the way through college. he doesn't have the skills to play offense.
so let's get this straight. you submit that this guy who cannot run block, cannot pass block, and cannot catch the football is "one of the best in the NFL"? no way. josh parry is not an nfl caliber fullback.
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posted by The Mean Guy at 1:30 PM
14 Comments:
All right...I'll bite.
Who is Josh Parry?
Ben
that pretty much sums it up, actually. who is josh parry and what is he still doing on an nfl roster?
The way it stands now, I am kind of really looking forward to the Birds season. I am a firm believer that you win with O-line, D-line and QB play. Right now, the D-Line is improved and they have ridded themselves of dead weight (Grasmanis, Thomas) and the O-line looks pretty formidable if Honey Buns is out of the equation....Thomas, Runyan, a svelter Andrews, Jackson, Clarke, Herremans, Justice and Gilles...plus a healthier happier Don....yes I still think they need a bigger back but it ain't gonna happen and they don't have big names on the outside catching passes (all adequate receivers I guess)....I think Schobel is going to help this team and LJ is solid.....the weakness....Mr. Josh Parry. I would suspect that this is very open competition at FB and don't be surprised if someone else steps in.....oh yeah, I keep hearing Gocong is going to be a stud....while not Samoan, he does have an pacific Asian look, so I may need to go out and get a white jersey...apparently he is fearless with decent size and tremendous speed and the Birds had targeted him in this draft....he's also bright.
Josh needs to go, quite agreed in that. And I think it will happen. With the people they brought in to compete, he's gone....
- Joe
oh yeah, I keep hearing Gocong is going to be a stud
the comparison i keep hearing is tedy bruschi. that's a lot of hope for, but the guy who coached gocong was bruschi's d-coordinator in college.
tedy bruschi with an engineering degree... could be a good combo.
Whatever happened to Richie - the guy with calcium deposits in his forehead? Did he ever play for another team. Before injury, I thought he was a damn good player, and he really isn't that old...
Is it really that hard to find a fullback? It seems like for what the Eagles ask, they ought to be able to round up a decent replacement pretty easily. In this offense, isn't fullback mostly a "desire" position? By that, I mean don't they really just need to find someone of questionable intelligence who is willing to give his body?
How many serious reads and routes are we talking about in a dink and dunk offense?
Who runs the ball on 3rd and 2 on this team? Please don't tell me we don't plan to run the ball this year...
Ben
Exactly. Why can't they just take one of their blocking TEs and line them up in the back field? Oh, that's right - because they don't HAVE any blocking TEs.
Whatever happened to Richie - the guy with calcium deposits in his forehead? Did he ever play for another team. Before injury, I thought he was a damn good player, and he really isn't that old...
ritchie tore his acl early in his second season with the birds and was never able to get back up to full speed. to my knowledge he hasn't played again in the nfl.
it's a shame because he was the best fullback i've seen in eagles green.
Is it really that hard to find a fullback? It seems like for what the Eagles ask, they ought to be able to round up a decent replacement pretty easily. In this offense, isn't fullback mostly a "desire" position? By that, I mean don't they really just need to find someone of questionable intelligence who is willing to give his body?
good question. i don't have an answer, but my thinking is that fullback probably is a desire position, but few have the actual abilities (e.g. neck big enough, bones strong enough, torso thick enough) to be effective at it. i respect fullbacks because on a per play basis they probably take as much or more pounding than any player on the field. they need to launch themselves at full speed with a running start on virtually every running play. that's tough duty.
I'm curious if Richie has plans to try to play in the NFL again? Isn't ACL surgery rather routine these days, especially for a 30 year old after a year and a half of rehab?
It just seemed odd to me that I never heard his name again...
Richie is a smart guy and I think he does radio/commmentary. He was able to recover from the surgery, however last year he was not 100%, and the Eagles waited till the last cut to cut him to see if he got better. I think his head, rather than his heart spoke up and told him that yes he could play if he worked hard, but he may have long term effects....but on paper it seems like he should have been able to get back. I think he's doing the right thing.
I agree that it seems difficult to find a competent FB....off the top of my head I can only think of a few decent ones around--Lorenzo Neal, Mack Strong....basically a FB is a guard in the backfield who is athletic enough to catch some flare passes. It is a demanding position on your body, but if you can't block you are as useless as tits on a bull. Sometimes Parry just flat out missed or didn't pick up the right players. For some reason, FBs are not used to carry the ball anymore and one of the best ones that I can remember is Moose Johnston in Dallas....he basically helped make Emmitt a Hall of Fame RB because he opened some holes and helped Dallas's passing game with his play (helping with blitzes, double teaming ends, catching some balls)...unfortunately with football there is no "nice to have" players and everything/every position is important...and it is beyond me how the Eagles haven't upgraded....they brought in Richie to upgrade and now they have a converted LB who is everything that everyone writes about him...for some reason Big Red doesn't value FBs and a couple of years ago, before Richie, he was thinking of not carrying any FBs and making a big RB (they had those? the FB when necessary)....that was around the time of Jason McKie....they have a guy from Wisconsin who is a rookie who I think is a true FB, so maybe they think that he can step up?
Richie is a smart guy and I think he does radio/commmentary. He was able to recover from the surgery, however last year he was not 100%, and the Eagles waited till the last cut to cut him to see if he got better. I think his head, rather than his heart spoke up and told him that yes he could play if he worked hard, but he may have long term effects....but on paper it seems like he should have been able to get back. I think he's doing the right thing.
I agree that it seems difficult to find a competent FB....off the top of my head I can only think of a few decent ones around--Lorenzo Neal, Mack Strong....basically a FB is a guard in the backfield who is athletic enough to catch some flare passes. It is a demanding position on your body, but if you can't block you are as useless as tits on a bull. Sometimes Parry just flat out missed or didn't pick up the right players. For some reason, FBs are not used to carry the ball anymore and one of the best ones that I can remember is Moose Johnston in Dallas....he basically helped make Emmitt a Hall of Fame RB because he opened some holes and helped Dallas's passing game with his play (helping with blitzes, double teaming ends, catching some balls)...unfortunately with football there is no "nice to have" players and everything/every position is important...and it is beyond me how the Eagles haven't upgraded....they brought in Richie to upgrade and now they have a converted LB who is everything that everyone writes about him...for some reason Big Red doesn't value FBs and a couple of years ago, before Richie, he was thinking of not carrying any FBs and making a big RB (they had those? the FB when necessary)....that was around the time of Jason McKie....they have a guy from Wisconsin who is a rookie who I think is a true FB, so maybe they think that he can step up?
checked the roster, his name is Jason Davis from Illinois, not Wisconsin. 5-10, 240. I suspect, however, that the guy the Eagles really, really want to step up is Tapeh...he's 6-1, 243 and can play RB, FB, and special teams.
Big Dog...
Thanks for the insight. I guess I can't blame Richie. I don't understand football to nearly the same degree that I understand baseball, so I really enjoy coming here to get the inside story.
Ben
Actually I am not a family member nor am I a friend but I do appreciate the players who role play, and if there was a better option out there where and who is it...Tapeh who has proven he cannot block and has not proven to stay healthy? Parry doesn't need to have RB speed, I have watched some of the best FBs in the league and many of the best were slow off the mark. Role playing has nothing to do about league pay by the way. I have no idea if Parry is a nice guy off the field and do not care. The guy plays tough and is a better option than anything else we have. Maybe Spach..thats a joke. If you have actually wayched parry you will see him get his assignment 90 percent of the time. There are not better options..there simply not. I have no affiliation with Josj Parry but to appreciate players not like Owens. FBs need strength not speed, they are nopt receivers and they need not be rbs that is why we west, moats, etc. Very few teams in the nfl use the FB for anything other than blocking. If in fact Parry is not an nfl caliber player why then do the eagles (one of the most successful franchises over the last 5 years) continuie to start him? I realize all of you know more than the front office and coaches but follow the logic...Ritchie ( a high price overated FB who never ran the ball in the eagles offense..remember that point...never ran the ball. Had mediocre hands and apparently could not beat Parry out for the starting job. So we look to see who is available...Sorry only so many Neals, Alstotts, etc out there so we try and build from within and draft a bust in Tapeh with a glass body who has no grasp of the offense, he misses his assignments the majority of the time. He has a couple decent runs against 3rd and 4th team Defenses and people masturbate in unison. He is a horrible blocker who has no ability to rebound from a broken play and this comes against 4th team guys. So we look at free agency...Didn't see any pro bowlers sitting waiting for a phone call...did you? so we bring in an unknow..Davis...well he is unknown for a reason, he likes to run into his O line instead of blocking. Which brings us to Parry, a guy who yes was converted because coaches saw a role player that not only had intelligence but heart. It took him a few seasons to make the transition but is beginning to come into his own. He rebounds well and has strength. Remember he is fighting off DE most of the tome that have broken through guys the size of Runyon. He has many more solid plays once again than missed assignments...go watch the games. Watch his reactions and assignments...he picks them up..he doesn't need to blow them off the line and he does keep them away frpom Mcnabb, all the time? of course not who does. He catches the ball 90 percent of the time which is more than most of our receivers over the last 4 years. But his job is not to make big plays in the receiving game nor the running game. Parry his twice as strong as Spach, smarter than Tapeh, and Davis...please. Agree with mean guy all you want but you'll just be as wrong as he is.
Do you actually read what I write or do you look for loop holes to argue, I am not a friend or a family member...anyone who agrees with me is a family member? then you must be Tapeh's little brother. I stated I was not but the reasoning you guys present is redundant. I am not stating Parry to be a pro bowl player but he is solid and is improving. Give some alternate options instead of stating he is the worst. Wasn't it Mcnabb who threw 4 INTs in the superbowl but we are not ready to release him. Give the guy a break he has done a good job and deserves more than broken untelligible babble because you would rather have Tony Richardson or Moose from Dallas days. Go back and watch the play against the browns where Mahe ran into Parry's back after Parry blew up his assignment leaving a wide open gap for a TD and Mahe runs into parry instead of using the lane parry had created. hmmm...find a hobby that doesn't involve putting a player down that does not hold the team up for more money or self indulgence...off the field the guy might be a prick but all I know is that he is a player on the field. who was in front of West during the raider game while West was eating up yards...a guy who cannot block or a guy creating space by making his assignments.
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