Thursday, November 01, 2007

Bottom Line

i'm frustrated as heck with andy reid too, but here's what i can't reconcile.

if his overall record is 83-52, he can't be a bad evaluator of talent AND a bad game day coach AND a horrible play caller AND a horrible motivator. somewhere one or more of those premises have to be wrong because the equation does not add up.

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Anonymous Phil said...

Reid's house is a "drug emporium". Oh, crap. How ironic would (will?) it be for him to be run out of town on morals, which has supposedly been his strong suit all along.

As a solid Reid backer over the years, I think this has to be it for him. If he's allowed to cut a guy for being in the same car where pot was smoked, shouldn't Reid get cut for being in the same house with illegal drugs? If Vick is responsible for things that happen on his property, shouldn't Big Red be held to the same standard? Yes, parents shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of their grown children, but they were living in his house.

Coaches should be held to a higher standard than players, and head coaches to a higher standard even still. The sad thing is this going to tarnish the reputation of perhaps the best coach in Eagles history. A sad day.

12:22 PM EDT  
Blogger Dan Naylor said...

im done with the eagles. unlike you peter i never got back on board.

dun done.

i dont even want them to go 7-9 or 8-8. f-that. they fuck up their draft position.

im rooting for 4-12
im rooting for some new coaches
im rooting for a stud 1st and 2nd rounder
i'm rooting for mcnugget to take some responsibility
i'm rooting for a real strong safety to come to this team
im rooting for us to get rid of receivers that fight the ball into their hands


im rooting for the eagles, but not like how most people are anymore

10:47 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this. Reid feasted on morons like Chan Gailey, Steve Spurrier, Dave Campo, and Jim Fassel the first 6 years of his tenure and won close to 60 of those games. He's been average to below average ever since. Now the level of coaching competition is clearly higher and he cannot compete. He has never fared well against the AFC and now they are the cellar dweelers of the NFC East. They won't win a division game again this year and they are one of the worst 6 teams in the league. Wow! The sad thing is, this guy's job is as secure as Joe Pa's. His ineptitude over the last 36 games just doesn't seem to matter. As yet another team carves us up in prime time (that makes Seattle 2005, Skins 2007, Giants 2007, Cowboys 2007), I am left to wonder why I'm not allowed to have fun watching football anymore. Bad team, low in talent, poor scheme, stubborn coaching, aging players. They desperately need to burn this to the ground, embrace sucking for a few years and completely retool at nearly every position because they suck. God this is brutal and I can't tell what's worse, watching them suck or kowing pre-game they had no shot to win this game because talent-wise they are ridiculously inferior at nearly every position. It is truly a sad time to be a Birds fan.

Bumble

10:51 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with you all they way Bumble. Blow it up and rebuild. If it's with a new coach, I'm OK with that, too. I watched significant pieces of all 4 games that were televised today, and the eagles played at the lowest level of all teams, and that includes the Jets and Minnesota. Reid is over, JJ is WAAY over. I'm tired of the same thing week after week after week...boring boring boring.

Captain

11:45 PM EST  
Anonymous Phil said...

Bumble, Reid has consistantly beat 2 HOF coaches over the past several years (Gibbs, Parcells) and I'm not quite sure I'd put Wade Phillips in that class. I agree he needs to go, but so does JJ and Heckert.

5 can still play, but he needs to retool his game. He's been so used to using his feet to escape troube over the years that his slow speed now is killing him. He needs to learn to get rid of he ball much, much, MUCH quicker.

7:23 AM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed Phil, but 9 years in, Mc5 should already know that, it cannot be a 'wow, I may get sacked a lot if I hold the ball 9 seconds" revelation. His play has been abysmal this year. i realize he's coming off an injury, but dammit he's not helping himself by holding the ball forever. game was over on the first play last night as he held the ball...and held...and held...and held until spears whacked it out of his hand. you cannot give a good team great field position, just kills your momentum. then that awful INT before the half after Faberge egg Shepherd got an INT of his own. Devastating! Then the check down 5 yard throws when they need 15 yards, the 10 yards out of bounds tosses when he has guys open. He is doing nothing, nada, bupkis to help this team win. A 9 year vet who played in a ton of playoff games, even gimpy, needs to be better than this. He's just a lost, scared puppy out there.

Also, Parcells was a shell of his former self and has always been way over-rated and Gibbs 2.0 is starting to get the better of Andy. It's all about play makers and they have none. I fault him less as a coach and more as a GM because the coach can put points up provided he has the tools to work with. The GM isn't providing them so you need to fire him. Oh...same guy.

Bumble

8:42 AM EST  
Blogger The Mean Guy said...

im done with the eagles. unlike you peter i never got back on board.

i'm finished defending andy reid, but i'll be shocked if he's not coaching this team next season.

if you're the owner of the eagles, do you throw 83-53 out the window without giving him another season after this one? with lurie, has he earned the right to work his way out of this?

11:09 AM EST  
Blogger The Mean Guy said...

How about this. Reid feasted on morons like Chan Gailey, Steve Spurrier, Dave Campo, and Jim Fassel the first 6 years of his tenure and won close to 60 of those games. He's been average to below average ever since.

are you factoring in last season in this? people seemed pretty happy with his coaching last season.

They desperately need to burn this to the ground, embrace sucking for a few years and completely retool at nearly every position because they suck. God this is brutal and I can't tell what's worse, watching them suck or kowing pre-game they had no shot to win this game because talent-wise they are ridiculously inferior at nearly every position.

if this is true? how do you explain these two things:

- last season they led the nfl in "big plays" (plays over 20 yards) and reggie brown was among the leaders for wideouts

- last season they finished 10-6 and made the playoffs

this is not an untalented team.

11:13 AM EST  
Blogger The Mean Guy said...

Agreed Phil, but 9 years in, Mc5 should already know that, it cannot be a 'wow, I may get sacked a lot if I hold the ball 9 seconds" revelation. His play has been abysmal this year. i realize he's coming off an injury, but dammit he's not helping himself by holding the ball forever. game was over on the first play last night as he held the ball...and held...and held...and held until spears whacked it out of his hand.

a mcnabb who cannot run is not a good nfl qb, it's as simple as that. if he can't buy himself time to let the receivers get open, he can't play anymore.

the opening fumble was tough, but it wasn't a back breaker by any means, remember the eagles went right down and scored afterwards. the killer was his awful interception. he says he thought baskett was open, but in fact there were TWO defenders in position to pick that ball off. terrible.

11:16 AM EST  
Blogger The Mean Guy said...

The GM isn't providing them so you need to fire him. Oh...same guy.

the GM is not the problem. it's the coach that's the problem. this team has talent, but you cannot overcome poor QB play and poor coaching.

11:17 AM EST  
Blogger The Mean Guy said...

i'll add that the GM was forward looking enough to already have the heir apparent at QB in place.

11:18 AM EST  
Anonymous Phil said...

TMG, I still think 5 has the talent to play in the NFL without his legs. He's no longer a top 5 QB, but doubt he's much further down the list than 10 or so. That's assuming he dramatically speeds up his release. Don't forget he virtually never throws INTs and speeding up his release will cut down on his fumbles. Those are largely coming 5 seconds after the snap when the ball should be long gone.

There's also a fair chance he gets a lot more of his speed back over the next year as a torn ACL is usually a 24 month rehab process, not the 12 that it's been so far.

5:07 PM EST  
Anonymous Phil said...

I don't have an answer for this, but what if the talent level isn't as high as we think it is? Most of the core players have been here for 4-6 years plus and while come may argue they're in they're "prime", what if they're all (36, 5, Brown, Lito) more over the hill than we think?

Dawk and Freak are shells of their former selves at this point, while Tra and Runyan aren't getting any better. Probably the only 3 players that are still on the upswing seem to be Andrews, Bunkley, and Patterson. Maybe a couple of the young LBs.

5:16 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No posts in almost 2 days ?? Where's the interest ? The venom, the anger, the rage ???!!!!! You guys are killing me !!!

Captain

8:04 PM EST  

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