I never saw Van Buren play, but I met him twice (once at Philadelphia Park and once on an airplane). He gave my son an autographed card. He's a prince of a man and my dad told me he was awesome as a player. He get's my vote. (Ironically, I SAW Wilbert Montgomery on the same plane ride; both greats were heading to Canton for the Hall of Fame Game while I was headed to Michigan for a wedding). For the record, Wilbert seemed like a nice guy. He sat in the seat in front of me, but I didn't bug him because he seemed like he wanted to be left alone. Van Buren is old and gimpy, but he loves to be recognized and talk with fans.
These are always tough because in my mind I always try to imagine everyone on the same playing field...I just think as time has passed, the athlete has gotten bigger, stronger, and faster (like the 6 Million Dollar Man)...for his time, Concrete Charlie was a tough guy and had the famous lay out hit on Gifford and was tough and sturdy enough to go both ways at C and LB....Bill Bergey was also a nasty backer and has a great voice, and a great beard and apparently when he was the head coach at Tatnall High in Delaware, he would put almost a whole pack of chew in his mouth and would tell all parents at the beginning of the year to shut the hell up...I just don't think that they hold up to the Trotter's or Joyner's of the world....Joyner was just a tough, nasty sumbitch that is why I voted for him...RB was tougher, as there is no legendary back in Philadelphia...except for Steve Van Buren who I voted for. Wilbert is a nice guy, he used to manage or own a Sporting Goods store in the Deptford Mall and was very courteous and nice to shoppers. He was also a high school coach at West Deptford. The Hound Kelly also used to work in the mall, I once got Jerry Garcia Band tickets at his Sporting Goods store and he hooked me up and called me a bucket head when I got a fitted baseball cap....a lot of those older athletes are just normal guys.
How about some more polls for the Birds....and I am really dissing the old guys with these...
QB...Don, Randall, Jaws, Roman Gabriel, Norm Van Brocklin, Mike Boryla, Jim McMahon, Sonny Jurgenson
TE....Keith Krepfle, Spags, Keith Jackson, Charle Young, LJ, Chad Lewis
FB...Michael Haddix, Donuts, J Parry, Mike Hogan, Cecil Martin, Stanley Pritchard, Jon Ritchie
K...Horst Muhlman, Tony Franklin, Who Framed Roger Ruzek, Paul McFadden, Tom Dempsey, Norm Johnson, David Akers, Gary Anderson, Chris Boniol, the Kicking Mule, Tony Danza
WR....Harold Carmichael, Mike Quick, Arkansas Fred, TO, Vince Papale, Art Monk, Irving Fryar
P...Spike Jones, Max Runager, Dirk Johnson, Sean Landeta, Brian Barker, Reggie Hodges
DT...Charlie Johnson, Kenny Clarke, Mike Pitts, The Fridge, Jerome Brown, Trucker, Mike Golic
DE...Clyde the Glide, Reggie, William Fuller, Kearse, Claude Humphrey, Blenda Gay, Mike Mamula, Trent Cole
Was that an elaborate way to get Parry's name on here again?
Don, Jackson, Cecil, Akers, Carmichael, Brown and Reggie would be my votes. Problem is that it is VERY tough to compare across generations. The game that Van Brocklin played isn't even close to being what 5's playing today. Heck, football wasn't even a full time job to half these guys.
Just saw that. Will never happen. We need corners and he's just a free safety now. Although, maybe we need a new team ambassador as I haven't heard anything from Hugh in a while. Makes me think it really was a way for them to keep him working out with the team in case another DE went down last year.
Here's my take....I sign Troy Vincent the second he becomes healthy. The f-in' second....I would bet that the Eagles have already contacted him on this...you figure he's getting his whole salary for the year with the Bills and he could be had for minimal....he's an Eagles guy and great leader and class act. He won't be used for much except for being around and filling in on certain situations. Good in the 'room.....Bumble and I both have to give talks to our old high school team and talk about tradition....I think that the Eagles are building a tradition here and Troy is a guy that was around when they won and he's a winner. Apparently his injury is very minor and he could be back soon...this is a perfect example of the person being more important than the skill. At least that's the Dog's take.
I agree. They aren't exactly stacked at safety either. I'd bring him in for low $, let him be a leader, and use him on special teams, as insurance, and to mentor all the young CB. Good guy to have around.
Bumble
P.S. I hate to say it because I think the Birds are good, but I see the G men hanging an L on them this weekend, 24-13. They aren't ready to win this game yet. They will be ready in December.
I don't see it happening. They've got Dawk and Trot to talk about tradition and I don't see Troy on special teams. Also, who do you cut to make room (Lito's only going to be out a little bit)? I can't see them cutting a young prospect to bring back a great guy who's best days are well behind him. This is one of those sentimental things that would be bad for this team and bad for next year's team.
Regarding the Giants, I see a W. Probably 28-17. I think ya'll still don't understand how important 5 is (7-0 vs. Giants since 2000) and the D is going to get a couple turnovers. I also think last week was a pure coast job and didn't show how good they really are.
Phil, I think that they can be creative when that comes around....you may be dead on that they don't and they don't for a good reason (by keeping young guys), but inevitable injuries are going to surface during this season and they do have a huge surplus of lineman that may go down. I guess we cross that bridge when we come to it.
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I never saw Van Buren play, but I met him twice (once at Philadelphia Park and once on an airplane). He gave my son an autographed card. He's a prince of a man and my dad told me he was awesome as a player. He get's my vote. (Ironically, I SAW Wilbert Montgomery on the same plane ride; both greats were heading to Canton for the Hall of Fame Game while I was headed to Michigan for a wedding). For the record, Wilbert seemed like a nice guy. He sat in the seat in front of me, but I didn't bug him because he seemed like he wanted to be left alone. Van Buren is old and gimpy, but he loves to be recognized and talk with fans.
These are always tough because in my mind I always try to imagine everyone on the same playing field...I just think as time has passed, the athlete has gotten bigger, stronger, and faster (like the 6 Million Dollar Man)...for his time, Concrete Charlie was a tough guy and had the famous lay out hit on Gifford and was tough and sturdy enough to go both ways at C and LB....Bill Bergey was also a nasty backer and has a great voice, and a great beard and apparently when he was the head coach at Tatnall High in Delaware, he would put almost a whole pack of chew in his mouth and would tell all parents at the beginning of the year to shut the hell up...I just don't think that they hold up to the Trotter's or Joyner's of the world....Joyner was just a tough, nasty sumbitch that is why I voted for him...RB was tougher, as there is no legendary back in Philadelphia...except for Steve Van Buren who I voted for. Wilbert is a nice guy, he used to manage or own a Sporting Goods store in the Deptford Mall and was very courteous and nice to shoppers. He was also a high school coach at West Deptford. The Hound Kelly also used to work in the mall, I once got Jerry Garcia Band tickets at his Sporting Goods store and he hooked me up and called me a bucket head when I got a fitted baseball cap....a lot of those older athletes are just normal guys.
I just hated hitting the vote button because it brought up a link that played sound automatically.....
- Joe
How about some more polls for the Birds....and I am really dissing the old guys with these...
QB...Don, Randall, Jaws, Roman Gabriel, Norm Van Brocklin, Mike Boryla, Jim McMahon, Sonny Jurgenson
TE....Keith Krepfle, Spags, Keith Jackson, Charle Young, LJ, Chad Lewis
FB...Michael Haddix, Donuts, J Parry, Mike Hogan, Cecil Martin, Stanley Pritchard, Jon Ritchie
K...Horst Muhlman, Tony Franklin, Who Framed Roger Ruzek, Paul McFadden, Tom Dempsey, Norm Johnson, David Akers, Gary Anderson, Chris Boniol, the Kicking Mule, Tony Danza
WR....Harold Carmichael, Mike Quick, Arkansas Fred, TO, Vince Papale, Art Monk, Irving Fryar
P...Spike Jones, Max Runager, Dirk Johnson, Sean Landeta, Brian Barker, Reggie Hodges
DT...Charlie Johnson, Kenny Clarke, Mike Pitts, The Fridge, Jerome Brown, Trucker, Mike Golic
DE...Clyde the Glide, Reggie, William Fuller, Kearse, Claude Humphrey, Blenda Gay, Mike Mamula, Trent Cole
Was that an elaborate way to get Parry's name on here again?
Don, Jackson, Cecil, Akers, Carmichael, Brown and Reggie would be my votes. Problem is that it is VERY tough to compare across generations. The game that Van Brocklin played isn't even close to being what 5's playing today. Heck, football wasn't even a full time job to half these guys.
Troy Vincent could be available. Interesting timing with Lito out. I say we grab him.....
- Joe
Just saw that. Will never happen. We need corners and he's just a free safety now. Although, maybe we need a new team ambassador as I haven't heard anything from Hugh in a while. Makes me think it really was a way for them to keep him working out with the team in case another DE went down last year.
The Bills put free safety Troy Vincent on IR. He's done for the year, and since he is already 35, he may be done period.
Me, check out profootballtalk.com's mid-afternoon post on 9/14 for full story.
Here's my take....I sign Troy Vincent the second he becomes healthy. The f-in' second....I would bet that the Eagles have already contacted him on this...you figure he's getting his whole salary for the year with the Bills and he could be had for minimal....he's an Eagles guy and great leader and class act. He won't be used for much except for being around and filling in on certain situations. Good in the 'room.....Bumble and I both have to give talks to our old high school team and talk about tradition....I think that the Eagles are building a tradition here and Troy is a guy that was around when they won and he's a winner. Apparently his injury is very minor and he could be back soon...this is a perfect example of the person being more important than the skill. At least that's the Dog's take.
I agree. They aren't exactly stacked at safety either. I'd bring him in for low $, let him be a leader, and use him on special teams, as insurance, and to mentor all the young CB. Good guy to have around.
Bumble
P.S. I hate to say it because I think the Birds are good, but I see the G men hanging an L on them this weekend, 24-13. They aren't ready to win this game yet. They will be ready in December.
I don't see it happening. They've got Dawk and Trot to talk about tradition and I don't see Troy on special teams. Also, who do you cut to make room (Lito's only going to be out a little bit)? I can't see them cutting a young prospect to bring back a great guy who's best days are well behind him. This is one of those sentimental things that would be bad for this team and bad for next year's team.
Regarding the Giants, I see a W. Probably 28-17. I think ya'll still don't understand how important 5 is (7-0 vs. Giants since 2000) and the D is going to get a couple turnovers. I also think last week was a pure coast job and didn't show how good they really are.
Phil, I think that they can be creative when that comes around....you may be dead on that they don't and they don't for a good reason (by keeping young guys), but inevitable injuries are going to surface during this season and they do have a huge surplus of lineman that may go down. I guess we cross that bridge when we come to it.
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