Stab at 53 Man Roster
i'm probably way off on this, but what the heck, here's my mid-preseason stab at the 53 man roster:
QB
mcnabb, garcia, detmer
it's possible that big red will keep chang if he shows that he can someday play in the league, but right now, detmer probably has the edge.
RB
westbrook, moats, perry, mahe, and either buckhalter or tapeh.
tapeh is not a fullback. from what i've seen in the preseason, he's a worse blocker than parry. coming into camp, i figured the birds would keep 4 RBs, but with the injury situation there i can see them carrying 5 RBs into the season.
FB
parry
my buddy seems to be on track to make the team again.
TE
smith, schobel, bartrum
slight possibility that thorn makes the roster ahead of schobel, but i doubt it.
WR
brown, baskett, pinkston, avant, mccants
supposedly, gaffney has no work ethic and is not picking up the offense. not good characteristics when you're trying to make a team. mccants is going to make the team because of his ability to cover kicks. bloom hasn't had a chance to play. if he's impressive in the last 3 preseason games, i think it's possible that he can push mccants out. if not, i can see them putting him on IR for the rest of the season. practice squad is also a possibility for him, but then you face the risk of losing him to another team. i see no reason to keep greg lewis on the team.
OT
runyan, thomas, justice
no surprises here
OG
andrews, herremans, gillies, clarke
i think one of young and clarke will be put on the practice squad, probably young because of clarke's versatility
C
jackson
does fraley stay or go? he's not going to get cut, but a trade seems likely.
DE
kearse, howard, mcdougle, cole, thomas
birds will be forced to carry 5 DE due to the latest injury to mr. glass.
DT
patterson, bunkley, walker, rayburn, ramsey
i think ramsey has a good shot at beating out both keyonta marshall and ed jasper. ramsey has youth over jasper and quickness over marshall.
LB
trotter, simoneau, mccoy, barber, gocong, gaither, jones
only surprise for me is jones getting to keep his job.
CB
sheppard, brown, hood, strickland
with considine playing as the extra d-back in the new nickel package, i'm not sure they see the need to carry 5 CB. hood's injury may change that.
S
dawkins, lewis, considine, mikell, jr reed
matt ware was moved to safety, but i can't see him making the team over any of these guys. having someone who can play both corner and safety is valuable, but ware hasn't done much in his time here.
KR/PR
some combination of mahe/reed/perry
K
akers, johnson
QB
mcnabb, garcia, detmer
it's possible that big red will keep chang if he shows that he can someday play in the league, but right now, detmer probably has the edge.
RB
westbrook, moats, perry, mahe, and either buckhalter or tapeh.
tapeh is not a fullback. from what i've seen in the preseason, he's a worse blocker than parry. coming into camp, i figured the birds would keep 4 RBs, but with the injury situation there i can see them carrying 5 RBs into the season.
FB
parry
my buddy seems to be on track to make the team again.
TE
smith, schobel, bartrum
slight possibility that thorn makes the roster ahead of schobel, but i doubt it.
WR
brown, baskett, pinkston, avant, mccants
supposedly, gaffney has no work ethic and is not picking up the offense. not good characteristics when you're trying to make a team. mccants is going to make the team because of his ability to cover kicks. bloom hasn't had a chance to play. if he's impressive in the last 3 preseason games, i think it's possible that he can push mccants out. if not, i can see them putting him on IR for the rest of the season. practice squad is also a possibility for him, but then you face the risk of losing him to another team. i see no reason to keep greg lewis on the team.
OT
runyan, thomas, justice
no surprises here
OG
andrews, herremans, gillies, clarke
i think one of young and clarke will be put on the practice squad, probably young because of clarke's versatility
C
jackson
does fraley stay or go? he's not going to get cut, but a trade seems likely.
DE
kearse, howard, mcdougle, cole, thomas
birds will be forced to carry 5 DE due to the latest injury to mr. glass.
DT
patterson, bunkley, walker, rayburn, ramsey
i think ramsey has a good shot at beating out both keyonta marshall and ed jasper. ramsey has youth over jasper and quickness over marshall.
LB
trotter, simoneau, mccoy, barber, gocong, gaither, jones
only surprise for me is jones getting to keep his job.
CB
sheppard, brown, hood, strickland
with considine playing as the extra d-back in the new nickel package, i'm not sure they see the need to carry 5 CB. hood's injury may change that.
S
dawkins, lewis, considine, mikell, jr reed
matt ware was moved to safety, but i can't see him making the team over any of these guys. having someone who can play both corner and safety is valuable, but ware hasn't done much in his time here.
KR/PR
some combination of mahe/reed/perry
K
akers, johnson
Labels: football
posted by The Mean Guy at 6:49 AM
28 Comments:
Agree with your assessment.
I, however, do believe that Bloom will make the team as a return man instead of RB #5. I don't like Mahe returning punts, he does get a solid avg, but I want a punt returner who can break it. This all could change if JR Reed is back close to 100%.
Simon
Good assessments. I think pretty much dead on....some variables i think may be Joselio Hanson over Strickland and I wouldn't be surprised to see Honeybuns still on the team if he is not traded. There may be some slight deviations...ie keeping Chang over Detmer, but at this point that makes no sense...I wouldn't be surprised to see a QB drafted next year. Could Gaffney, the only WR brought in, get cut? From what I've been reading, "yes"....that would be hard to believe....could Baskett, who really looks like he could be a player, start? If so, that is pure unbelievable genius or luck!! That is basically a first round pick....a rookie WR starting (or even playing)on this team....plus Avant is going to be a player now or soon. The Bloom situation is going to be wierd, too. As I said, it is going to be an interesting situation.
Good assessments. I think pretty much dead on....some variables i think may be Joselio Hanson over Strickland and I wouldn't be surprised to see Honeybuns still on the team if he is not traded. There may be some slight deviations...ie keeping Chang over Detmer, but at this point that makes no sense...I wouldn't be surprised to see a QB drafted next year. Could Gaffney, the only WR brought in, get cut? From what I've been reading, "yes"....that would be hard to believe....could Baskett, who really looks like he could be a player, start? If so, that is pure unbelievable genius or luck!! That is basically a first round pick....a rookie WR starting (or even playing)on this team....plus Avant is going to be a player now or soon. The Bloom situation is going to be wierd, too. As I said, it is going to be an interesting situation.
My only quibble is Avant over Lewis. Has he really shown that's he's better yet? I'm not convinced. While you can argue whether Lewis is a starting caliber player, we're essentially having the Pinkston discussion all over again. Reid's consistantly demonstrated loyalty (I can think of no other word to describe his affection toward some of these WRs) to these type of WRs and I just can't see him cutting Lewis loose after his semi-solid production last year.
I see Lewis and Honeybuns gone, with us getting something suprisingly good for honeybuns. I see Bloom making the team, his hammy is better and he's got 3 games to showcase it since most of the other starters are hurt or just not going to play. I think we unfortunately have to keep mahe, although I liked what I saw from Bruce the other night. Joselio Hanson at the very least makes the practice squad.
Of course there are reasons why none of us are NFL coaches.....
- Joe
wow, what a news day. Brett may reitre, and the Browns lost ANOTHER Center. Hmmm, I say we send honeybuns and really squeeze them for something we need. Only thing is, do they have anything we need?
- Joe
very good accessment but i see the Eagles putting Mr. Glass McDougle on IR and keeping GLew being the 6th WR. McDougle just isnt worth a roster spot no matter how little money hes making.
i think that bloom will be put on the physically unable to perform list so that if someone gets injured in the first couple weeks of the season, we could activate him later, like we tried to do with mcdougle and reed last year
I say Bloom makes the team as a KR; J.R. Reed won't make the team. Mahe will be the PR.
Avant may get the practice squad. WR is the most interesting position for cuts. I think either Gaffney or Lewis will be cut. Right now, my money is on Lewis to be cut.
You're high if you think Reed isn't making the team Tim. He's all over the field.
- Joe
Oh yeah, and I say Avant makes it. Pinky goes to the PUP list, and Gaffney makes practice squad....
- Joe
Gaffney on the practice squad? Are you kidding me? You hardly ever see veterans on the practice squad....read today that Pinky is still really hobbled....would not be surprised if he goes on the PUP list....that being said, who spreads the field (although I am reading that Pinky has no explosion and is spreading no field)....also read that Gaffney is working his way up the depth chart....so I really think it's going to come down to Brown, Baskett, Avant, Gaffney, McCants and if they decide to keep 6 Bloom or Lewis....wouldn't be surprised to see Bloom on the practice squad....
nah... i think pinkston gets flat out cut. they just simply can't deal with his inability to stay healthy. Reed makes the team... WR go Brown, Baskett, Avant, gaffney, lewis... and for some reason i just cant imagine the eagles cutting bloom. I'd also look for the eagles to try to trade fraley and some prospects if they get a chance to pick up a "REAL" third down back. If that happens, bye bye perry. and lastly, if buck plays well and doesnt get hurt in the preseason, there isnt a chance in hell that he doesnt make the team.
Wow, Pete. Your board is starting to get some real diverse traffic. Think we're up to like 6 or 7 difference people posting on here now (exluding the Parry clan of course).
Man I laughed out loud at this bit in your post:
"[The] birds will be forced to carry 5 DE due to the latest injury to mr. glass."
Hilarious reference to the fragile Mr. Glass from Unbreakable.
I don't see what the birds see in mccoy, yeah he's aggressive but undersized and makes too many mistakes, when you an undersized linebacker you need to have skills like Jack Ham or Sam Mills. Gafney seems to be a bust, Lito will have some explaining to do and probably won't get anyone's ear if he recommends anyone else. The running back situation worrisome, Buckholder's one bad twist away from a career ending injury and behind Westbrooke there's less than mediocrity. Since fullbacks only block, why not put a mobile offensive lineman in the position. We know andy won't trade for solid back so we're going to be relying on jj's defense to return to form
The final roster is certainly going to be interesting to watch develop and I think a lot of what you wrote is spot on. My opinion differs in a few areas.
I think Pinkston begins the season on the PUP list if he doesn't get in by the Steeler's game. He's not going to get cut and Andy can't take up the roster spot in an understaffed position with an injured player. It could be the best thing for Pinkston. Several more weeks of extended training camp and back mid-season to add some fresh legs. They'll need him once Baskett hits the rookie wall. With Pinky out I think Lewis stays and they end the Bloom experiment early unless he really shows something in the last three games. Jabar who?
I don't know why everyone hates Mahe. No, he's not the flashy RB everyone seems to want but he fills the needs when they need to be filled. Perry is going to be the one getting cut. Buckhalter gets treated like Pinkston if he's not 100% by game 4.
They'll have to be offered a high draft pick to let Fraley go. He's an excellent option for backing up the line at C and at G. Huge experience not typically found in a reserve. He'll leave in free agency next season.
I have other thoughts but this is getting long. I'll end by saying I think McDougal gets the PUP treatment again soon and his days as an Eagle are numbered.
Go Birds,
Matador
Well, it looks like JJ's D is back meaner and better than ever. Would call last year a fluke given the number of injuries.
Interesting point on the 6th o-lineman. GB runs that formation a bit and if anyone's got a surpluss of good o-linemen then it looks like the Iggles this year. Maybe the quality of the line's good enough that Reid thinks he can get by with just anyone at RB a la DEN.
Buckhalter, despite his history of injury, needs to be given a chance because when he's healthy, he can be the difference in the game. Unlike Moats and Mahe, Buckhalter is a big strong back, the perfect tandem with Westbrook.
And Moats and Mahe suck.
nark
My only quibble is Avant over Lewis. Has he really shown that's he's better yet? I'm not convinced. While you can argue whether Lewis is a starting caliber player, we're essentially having the Pinkston discussion all over again.
i don't think he has to show that he's better, necessarily. big red has also shown a willingness to base decision making on what the player's "potential" is rather than what they can do right this second. lewis is a known quantity -- a 4th wideout at best. the pinkston situation is different because although he has had highly visible catastrophic failures (e.g. NFC champ game vs. panthers), he has shown a steady progression each year. in fact, KC joyner predicted last season that the injured player the eagles would miss most would be pinky based on his terrific ability to run intermediate routes.
lewis does nothing particularly well and has trouble getting open on anything besides a deep route and he lacks the ball skills to make consistent catches on those deep routes. i won't miss him at all.
read today that Pinky is still really hobbled....would not be surprised if he goes on the PUP list....that being said, who spreads the field (although I am reading that Pinky has no explosion and is spreading no field)
i read that as well, and agree with the various assessments that pinky will likely end up on PUP or IR.
does anyone know what the limit is for number of players you can stash on PUP? i'm pretty sure that IR has no limit, but PUP may have one.
i think pinkston gets flat out cut. they just simply can't deal with his inability to stay healthy.
in pinky's defense, prior to his achilles injury last season, i recall him being a pretty durable player. was he injury prone prior to last year?
of course, that's probably due in part to his unwillingness to take hits, but he is what he is, a fairly speedy guy with decent hands and no physical presence.
I don't see what the birds see in mccoy, yeah he's aggressive but undersized and makes too many mistakes, when you an undersized linebacker you need to have skills like Jack Ham or Sam Mills.
big red's history of drafting LBs isn't too great -- barry gardner, quinton caver -- but i still trust that he knows what he's doing. they must see something in mccoy. i'm still not sold on him, but JJ wouldn't start him if he can't play.
BTW - i'm not so sure that comparing mccoy to jack ham -- a hall of famer, who while small compared to today's LBs was not small at the time, in fact i'm pretty sure he was a big LB for his day -- and sam mills -- a MLB, who was short but was built like a tank and weighed upwards of 250 lbs.
i'd say what the eagles are hoping that mccoy becomes is lofa tatupu, who is about the same size as mccoy and is all over the place just like mccoy.
JJ values speed above all other attributes on his defense and mccoy has that. my hope is that he's smart enough to play in JJ's defense, since LB is the toughest position to learn.
They'll have to be offered a high draft pick to let Fraley go. He's an excellent option for backing up the line at C and at G. Huge experience not typically found in a reserve. He'll leave in free agency next season.
your question about mahe is one i've been thinking a lot about, so i think i'll post something about that later.
i don't see how fraley stays on the roster. he's actually not a candidate at all for playing backup guard, and the birds have never tried him at that position. he's not physically strong enough to be effective there. in fact, the single biggest reason why the birds are upgrading the center position is probably that so many teams are switching to the 3-4. hank cannot handle having someone play on his nose. he's not strong enough. he knows it, and the eagles know it.
he's mobile, smart, and a good character guy, which is adequate against most 4-3 defenses because he's primarily helping out one of the guards. however, he cannot handle most/any d-linemen one-on-one, so guard is out as an option for hank.
And Moats and Mahe suck.
i'm not sure on what you're basing your assessment of moats. from what i've seen of ryan moats, he looks to be a pretty dynamic runner with incredibly quick acceleration, a little bit of shiftyness, and some ability to break tackles.
in fact, everything i've seen tells me he's a better "running" back than westbrook, who catches the ball much, much better and is much more shifty than moats, but cannot break any tackles.
i think moats can play in this league.
I don't disagree with your Lewis critique though they didn't sign him to a long term contract recently (last year?) cause they see no upside in him.
i'm thinking that they have concluded that they were wrong about glew, just like they concluded they were wrong about artis hicks (who got a long term extension the year before last).
andy is loyal, but when a guy ultimately proves he can't play andy usually ditches him.
True. Man, I can't wait for the season to start already.
Post a Comment
<< Home