QB Question Irrelevant
i'm starting to think the question of who should start at qb is irrelevant. the anti-mcnabb crowd is riled up to the point where they would root against him if he got back on the field. unless feeley does a nose-dive and uncorks a few stinkers, i fear they wouldn't accept mcnabb back. even then. sheesh.
the virulence on the radio is ridiculous. you'd never guess this guy has gone to five pro-bowls while QB'ing our team. you'd never guess this guy played with a broken leg for us. you'd never guess that this guy led the team to the playoffs 5 years in a row.
he's sucking right now, but he came back from a knee injury probably earlier than he should have. aren't you people going to be sorry when he's leading some other team into the playoffs and we're stuck with aj feeley (a guy who's been CUT by two teams)?
i have issues with his personality and over-sensitivity, but come on, the guy wins games when he is healthy and you're talking about dumping him because of a game the backup had during which he threw 3 interceptions. 3 interceptions!
i keep hearing on the radio that people hate how mcnabb throws the ball into the ground. i thought a lot about this "ball into the ground" thing as i was watching the eagles-pats game. see, the thing is, *every* qb has balls fall short of the receiver. both brady and feeley threw short balls a few times. it happens. the problem is that not every qb throws a ball as hard and with as low a trajectory as mcnabb does. when a qb lobs a ball and it falls short, it's just an inaccurate pass. when don throws a ball short, it literally looks like he threw it into the ground because it has no trajectory and it's flying at 100 mph. still, why does that matter so much? why do people get so pissed about that?
you know what the sad part about this is? for the ringleader (yes you, angelo cataldi, embodiment of all that is evil in sports radio), it has been more of a personal axe than anything else. cataldi has been out to get mcnabb ever since mcnabb refused to forgive him for that stupid stunt he pulled at the draft with his idiot cronies. cataldi loves jumping on anything negative involving mcnabb as a way to get back at mcnabb for shunning him during his career, you can hear it in his voice. that glee he gets anytime he gets a chance to rip mcnabb. you'll note that mcnabb only recently started to do guest spots on cataldi's show (once he realized the only way to rehabilitate his image in the city is to make peace with the embodiment of all that is evil in sports radio). too little too late unfortunately. cataldi is definitely petty enough to carry a grudge.
i wish it was a referendum on who should be the morning sports radio host and not whether the qb should be the guy who got cut by two teams vs. the guy who is the best qb to ever play for the eagles. isn't this the same lynch mob that was bitching about charles barkley, only to whine afterwards when we were left watching tim perry, andrew lang, and jeff hornacek?
the virulence on the radio is ridiculous. you'd never guess this guy has gone to five pro-bowls while QB'ing our team. you'd never guess this guy played with a broken leg for us. you'd never guess that this guy led the team to the playoffs 5 years in a row.
he's sucking right now, but he came back from a knee injury probably earlier than he should have. aren't you people going to be sorry when he's leading some other team into the playoffs and we're stuck with aj feeley (a guy who's been CUT by two teams)?
i have issues with his personality and over-sensitivity, but come on, the guy wins games when he is healthy and you're talking about dumping him because of a game the backup had during which he threw 3 interceptions. 3 interceptions!
i keep hearing on the radio that people hate how mcnabb throws the ball into the ground. i thought a lot about this "ball into the ground" thing as i was watching the eagles-pats game. see, the thing is, *every* qb has balls fall short of the receiver. both brady and feeley threw short balls a few times. it happens. the problem is that not every qb throws a ball as hard and with as low a trajectory as mcnabb does. when a qb lobs a ball and it falls short, it's just an inaccurate pass. when don throws a ball short, it literally looks like he threw it into the ground because it has no trajectory and it's flying at 100 mph. still, why does that matter so much? why do people get so pissed about that?
you know what the sad part about this is? for the ringleader (yes you, angelo cataldi, embodiment of all that is evil in sports radio), it has been more of a personal axe than anything else. cataldi has been out to get mcnabb ever since mcnabb refused to forgive him for that stupid stunt he pulled at the draft with his idiot cronies. cataldi loves jumping on anything negative involving mcnabb as a way to get back at mcnabb for shunning him during his career, you can hear it in his voice. that glee he gets anytime he gets a chance to rip mcnabb. you'll note that mcnabb only recently started to do guest spots on cataldi's show (once he realized the only way to rehabilitate his image in the city is to make peace with the embodiment of all that is evil in sports radio). too little too late unfortunately. cataldi is definitely petty enough to carry a grudge.
i wish it was a referendum on who should be the morning sports radio host and not whether the qb should be the guy who got cut by two teams vs. the guy who is the best qb to ever play for the eagles. isn't this the same lynch mob that was bitching about charles barkley, only to whine afterwards when we were left watching tim perry, andrew lang, and jeff hornacek?
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posted by The Mean Guy at 4:14 PM
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Hear hear.
The only thing I say right now, is if Feeley gives us a better shot at winning this Sun, then put him in. If Donovan is still recouping from his knee on top of the ankle and thumb injuries, then keep him out. No need to push him that hard at this point of the season. Our offense does fine with a game manager or "system" QB. Will it win the SB? No. But then neither will a McNabb at 70-80%.
- Joe
It isn't McNabb. It's the combination of Andy Reid's game plan and the QB. They fit better with a different style of QB. I have always said that Reid is killing McNabb's career. I think Reid will be better without McNabb and McNabb will be better without Reid. But I don't think Reid is going anywhere. I want it to work out, too, but I think it's passed the point of doing that. Especially when lesser talented QBs come in and the team flourishes.
Honestly, I don't think McNabb is the best QB we have ever had. I totally don't. He's great and I am a fan. Randall had some mad skills, but was very aloof, almost Michael Jackson-esque. Donovan does some things very well, but I thought it was the combination of throwing and running and he was very confident. I could overlook the bad passes, because a good one was just around the corner. And he was exciting. Jaworski was the best "typical NFL QB". He could throw the ball all over the place. And that was a great era. Jaws just took root and his skills dimished rapidly in the mid-80's. I think those 3 were great and I think all have positives and negatives.
Why, if Cataldi is the embodiment of all that is evil, do you listen? Seriously, why? Its not even the only sports show on in the morning. As for the rest of the post, how much do you owe an oft-injured QB with around a .500 record since the Super Bowl who posesses a mean martyr complex?
"(yes you, angelo cataldi, embodiment of all that is evil in sports radio"
Its not Cataldi btw, its Eskin.
"isn't this the same lynch mob that was bitching about charles barkley, only to whine afterwards when we were left watching tim perry, andrew lang, and jeff hornacek?"
Wasnt Barkley also bitching about getting out of town? Do you blame the fans for managements failure to get a better deal? Or did the players actions guarentee that a better deal wasnt going to be found?
The only thing I say right now, is if Feeley gives us a better shot at winning this Sun, then put him in.
if you're thinking short-term, yes, feeley is probably the better option right now because mcnabb isn't playing well.
long-term, playing feeley makes a pretty big statement if mcnabb is healthy enough to play. you're basically saying you're ready to move on at qb.
It isn't McNabb. It's the combination of Andy Reid's game plan and the QB. They fit better with a different style of QB. I have always said that Reid is killing McNabb's career. I think Reid will be better without McNabb and McNabb will be better without Reid. But I don't think Reid is going anywhere. I want it to work out, too, but I think it's passed the point of doing that. Especially when lesser talented QBs come in and the team flourishes.
the team and andy/mcnabb combo flourished pretty darn well when mcnabb was healthy. unfortunately, mcnabb hasn't been healthy since the superbowl.
my point is that the decision should be based on whether or not you think mcnabb will ever be truly healthy again, not whether the offense runs better with garcia/feeley compared to a diminished mcnabb.
Honestly, I don't think McNabb is the best QB we have ever had. I totally don't. He's great and I am a fan. Randall had some mad skills, but was very aloof, almost Michael Jackson-esque. Donovan does some things very well, but I thought it was the combination of throwing and running and he was very confident. I could overlook the bad passes, because a good one was just around the corner. And he was exciting. Jaworski was the best "typical NFL QB".
i agree that jaworski was the best pocket passer this team has ever had (i never got to see norm van brocklin), but i submit that jaworski would not have gotten the 2000 team to the playoffs or sniffed 11-5 with charles johnson and torrance small at receiver.
Why, if Cataldi is the embodiment of all that is evil, do you listen? Seriously, why? Its not even the only sports show on in the morning. As for the rest of the post, how much do you owe an oft-injured QB with around a .500 record since the Super Bowl who posesses a mean martyr complex?
for knowledge. i listen to cataldi to understand how he's riling up the fanbase.
as far as what we owe the oft-injured qb? i don't think we owe him anything, he gets compensated plenty. what i have issue with is the anger and hate directed at him. i don't understand all these people using a game by a qb who threw 3 interceptions as proof that they were right all along and mcnabb stunk the whole time. this vocal minority (now majority) stirred up by cataldi.
Its not Cataldi btw, its Eskin.
eskin is a jerk, but he has a localized effect. his shtick is to be contrarian and argue with the caller.
in his quest for ratings and money, cataldi caters to the lowest common denominator and foments hate and discord among the fanbase. he is more personable and likeable as an individual than eskin, but his impact on eagles nation, the city's national image, and public harmony is not a good one. the is a detriment to the city, not just to sports fans.
what's the one image other cities have of philadelphia? that stupid shawn from the dirty thirty boo-ing at the draft. that's why angelo cataldi is evil.
Wasnt Barkley also bitching about getting out of town? Do you blame the fans for managements failure to get a better deal? Or did the players actions guarentee that a better deal wasnt going to be found?
barkley was bitching about having hersey hawkins as the best player he ever played with when he was in his prime. he wanted to win, i never faulted him for that.
i think the fans were at fault for blaming barkley for the sixers failures when he clearly wasn't the problem.
"i don't understand all these people using a game by a qb who threw 3 interceptions as proof that they were right all along and mcnabb stunk the whole time."
Speaking as a McNabb fan and constant supporter (even though I liked Randall better), I think you're missing something here, TMG.
This isn't about numbers (your constant reminders about 3 interceptions) or about expectations (same performance as McNabb equals great for Feeley or other scrubeenie, but sucky for Don).
It's simpler than that. The team (for whatever reason) has more life without McNabb. Can't you see it and feel it? At this point, I don't think it's a coincidence that the team plays better when Don's not around, despite the fact that Don has incredible ability, way more than Garcia or Freeley. At some point, the team needs to come to terms with this, and so does Don.
This isn't really about statistics anymore. Unfortunately, I don't think this is about McNabb's realtive health, either. I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know what's really going on, but something clearly is. This isn't Don's team anymore, and it hasn't been since TO came to town, catalyzing whatever cancerous reaction lurked previously in the background.
Not smoking anything other than Marlboro,
Ed Wade
(feel free to admit I was right about the how the Eagles might play against the Patriots anytime, MS69).
"i wish it was a referendum on who should be the morning sports radio host"
There is a referendum. It's called the Arbitron Ratings, and they speak loud and clear. The reason your buddy has held the slot for over a decade is that is incredibly popular and mirrors Eagles Nation better than anyone else WIP can find.
I know you believe that Angelo "controls" public perceptions and opinions, but on this point, I think you are sadly mistaken. A is A, my friend.
If what you're really interested in is a poll of your readers, cast my vote for the Sarge. I'd love to drive in with him in the morning. He always brings a smile to my face (as well).
Ed Wade
Just so there is no mistaking the intent of my last post, I think Angelo is a complete jackass and dislike him nearly as much as TMG.
Ed Wade
For me its just amazing how quickly people forget and change their opinion after EVERY SINGLE GAME.
Remember the season they started 0-2. McNabb sucked then and people wanted to get rid of him. He made the super bowl after that.
It is much harder to win in the NFL than people realize. Look at the Saints, Seattle, Bears. All flash in the pans that after a year or two go down again. It is incredibly difficult to do what the Eagles have done over such a long period.
That said:
I believe this is more a problem of McNabbs persona than McNabbs skills. It is very difficult to play in Philly as is and given his performance, McNabb should be a hero. He plays when he is hurt, he is not afraid to get hit, he wins...what more do you want.
And Ed, this phenomenon can partly be blamed on Cataldi. He does not like McNabb, he puts people on that bash him, etc.
McNabb is too touchy feely, but instead of supporting a guy who wants to win here, the cities bashes him.
Its a strange sports town.
Simon
Speaking as a McNabb fan and constant supporter (even though I liked Randall better), I think you're missing something here, TMG.
This isn't about numbers (your constant reminders about 3 interceptions) or about expectations (same performance as McNabb equals great for Feeley or other scrubeenie, but sucky for Don).
It's simpler than that. The team (for whatever reason) has more life without McNabb. Can't you see it and feel it? At this point, I don't think it's a coincidence that the team plays better when Don's not around, despite the fact that Don has incredible ability, way more than Garcia or Freeley. At some point, the team needs to come to terms with this, and so does Don.
i'm not ignoring the team chemistry aspect here. i still think it's important, and almost exactly a year ago today, i thought it was the number one problem with the eagles (http://scrapplelog.blogspot.com/2006/11/problem-1-team-chemistry.html). however, i do believe there is a double standard at play. from 2002 through 2004, this team operated very effectively with mcnabb at the helm. if mcnabb had thrown up a 3/3 game, he'd have gotten killed for it.
There is a referendum. It's called the Arbitron Ratings, and they speak loud and clear. The reason your buddy has held the slot for over a decade is that is incredibly popular and mirrors Eagles Nation better than anyone else WIP can find.
of course, you're right, but i dispute the notion that he mirrors eagles nation better than anyone. cataldi mirrors the most miserable segment of eagles nation, not a broad cross-section. cataldi laments all the time that no one calls when the eagles are winning. he foments hate to keep his show fluid.
I know you believe that Angelo "controls" public perceptions and opinions, but on this point, I think you are sadly mistaken. A is A, my friend.
i don't think angelo "controls" the public. i think he's a public menace, just like i think anyone who spews hate propoganda is a public menace. the masses are easily influenced by hate.
i wasn't listening too closely as i had it on in the background while i was working, but ashley fox from the inquirer was on this morning and mentioned that as recently as a few weeks ago, she was getting pro-mcnabb emails at a rate of something like 40-1. you'd never guess that to be the case by listening on the radio.
TMG
I'm talking about this Sunday. One week at a time. You put in who will help you win that week. The same mantra Reid goes by. One week at a time. You can't think long run, and I'm sorry but you can't think money or feelings. You only worry about winning that Sunday. And to do that this week, I think Feeley needs to be in there. Next week? Who knows. If McNabb is healthy (and I think that's a big IF) then put him back in.
Otherwise you're admitting that this year is over and you're only trying to give McNabb some live rehab until he's better for next year. I don't think that's a good tact to follow.
P.S. I just lost 30 minutes of my life having comcrap on because they had a press conference and runway presentation of the Phillies new alternate uniform. Like they couldn't have shown it in 30 seconds, save the expense of the press conference (which will likely get passed onto ticket holders.
- Joe
- Joe
Ed Wade-Thanks for the reminder. I was watching the game and I thought of the comment I made to you. I was wrong and I was very happy to be wrong. Very, very wrong. Good call by yourself.
Mcnabb is their best QB, but NOT in this offense. I feel that the best thing for he and Andy is a split. Andy could win more than he loses with a weak armed QB like he's had the last 2 years and Don could excel in an offense that takes advantage of his cannon and minimizes his inaccuracy. And make no mistake about it TMG, Don is NOT accurate. He has no touch, he hangs his WR out, and he makes horrendous, gutless check down decisions on 3rd and long and tosses 1 yard patterns.
Don is their best guy, but not their best option to win now. His teammates don't seem to like him-note no one ever stepped up and defended him when TO went off and the team plays harder when he's not in there, my eyes just tell me this. Don's been a liability for 3 years now with his injuries and his poor decisions. 1 bad year, fine. 2, OK I'm getting concerned. 3 and this guy has lost it. Ditto the injuries-3 years in a row-he's fragile. At some point Cataldi is what he is-a moron. However, calling McNabb fragile or an underperformer is not untrue-he has clearly under-performed for the last 3 seasons and Angelo just amplifies that on a daily basis.
Bumble
At some point Cataldi is what he is-a moron. However, calling McNabb fragile or an underperformer is not untrue-he has clearly under-performed for the last 3 seasons and Angelo just amplifies that on a daily basis.
if that was the kind of stuff cataldi was saying, i'd have no problem with it. however, he usually doesn't focus on the football aspect of things or s simple statement of fact, he usually has some bone to pick with mcnabb that has nothing to do with football or uses pseudo facts to make broader generalizations. in addition, for what purpose i don't understand, he frequently rolls out something that he claims proves that mcnabb was never that good to begin with.
case in point, a few months back, cataldi said he did some research and looked at the ranking of the eagles defense vs. the eagles offense during the 5 year playoff run. he concluded that since the eagles defense was often in the top 10 and the eagles offense wasn't, the defense should get all the credit for those playoff runs, not mcnabb. this is an obviously ridiculous comparison, but for a guy this obsessed with killing mcnabb i'm sure it made complete sense.
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